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Marketing & Agile:
Best friends or worst enemies?
Nicole Williams
Head of Product, SilverStripe
Marcello Commisso
Agile Practice Coach, BNZ
Who are you?
What is Marketing?
What is modern Marketing?
Brand + Culture
Science + Art
Pull over Push
Experimentation
Who is SilverStripe?
SilverStripe (the really short version)
● 78 people in Wellington, Auckland & London
● Founded by 3 Wellingtonians, privately owned
● Company values - aligned with Agile principles
○ Continuous improvement over perfection
○ Collaboration over control
SilverStripe (the really short version)
● Bespoke web projects + products
● SilverStripe Open Source CMS - 110,000+ websites
● Common Web Platform for NZ Government
● Amazon Cloud Platform-as-a-Service
Marketing at SilverStripe
● Branding / positioning
● Lead generation
● Product research
● Market validation
● Sales messaging
Learning to be a
Product Owner
Nicole v1.0
Traditional marketing background
Media booked at start of FY
Perfectionist
“It will be the single hardest and most-
-rewarding role you ever hold.-
-There will be times you want to give up,-
-but in the end you’ll love them and love-
-being a product owner” -
- Clarion Cloughan, Head of Engineering, Xero
Agile + marketing challenges
● Specialisation e.g. analytics
● Fixed deadlines e.g. events
● Recurring tasks
● Traditional silo thinking
● External dependencies
M
Marketing evolution
● Marketing Manager - 1 person alone
● Storytellers - big cross functional team
● Neuron boosters + Rainmakers (two separate teams -
community dev and marketing)
● Rainmakers (small design oriented team)
● CommuniKats (marketing focused team with PO)
What worked for us
5 things that worked for us...
1. Give the team a mission
Set clear short term goals (OKRs)
2. Become more data-driven
3. Cross-functional teams
4. Co-locate marketing team with product team
Design for collaboration
Processes for knowledge sharing
5. Never stop experimenting (improving) how you work
M
1. Give the team a mission
and set clear goals
Objectives & Key Results
● Used by Google, Linkedin, Zynga
● Quarterly goals linked to 1 - 5 year plans
● Connects company/team/individual goals
“[OKRs] are a tool for motivating and aligning people to work together. They
increase transparency, accountability and empowerment." ~ Angus Davis, CEO,
Swipely
Google Ventures - video
● Knowing the most important
things to track
● Connects day-to-day with
bigger picture
● Provides common goals
across teams
OKRs provide purpose
Don’t rely on opinions and gut feelings
2. Become data-driven
Data-driven means…
● Less over more
● High impact metrics
● What will change if we succeed?
3. Cross functional teams
Cross functional teams, Pi-shaped people
CodingEvents AnalyticsOnboardingCommunity
Front end
Back end
CMS UI
UX
Blogs
Docs
Lessons
Meetups
Design
Support
Cross functional teams, T-shaped people
Content
marketingSocial
Digital
marketing
SEO /
SEMAnalytics
Marketing
Automation
Community
Wide breadth of knowledge across overlapping disciplines
Distribution
Buying journey
Content types
Audience
Brand strategy
Deep knowledge,
experience and
ability in one (or a
few) fields
Outward facing teams
Product
marketing
specialist
Campaign
Manager
(PO)
Graphic
Designer
Sales
Team
UX
Team
Product
Teams
Get people and teams to work together:
4. Designing for collaboration
Real collaboration
● Co-location with product and sales
● Shared Sprint Demos (Show & Tells)
● Involving other teams in backlog refinement
● Culture of knowledge sharing
● Setting common goals
Create a culture of learning
5. Keep experimenting
Monthly PMS meetings
● Product, sales and marketing
● Tactical experiments
● What question do we need to answer next?
Experiments board
But experiments
slows us down...
● Putting value on learning
● OK to “fail fast”
● Experiments can be quick,
small and cheap
Other Agile observations,
tips and tricks
Scrum or Kanban?
Scrum
○ Introduce Agile thinking to a team (breaking down
work, prioritising etc.)
○ Deadlines for delivery when team have problems
completing work
Kanban
○ Mapping the current process is easy to start with
○ Team with strong specialisations and individual tasks
○ Experienced team where work don’t fit in Sprint cycles
Kamishibai board (for recurring tasks)
Some unsolved challenges
Unsolved challenges
● Integrating marketing in full product lifecycle
● Becoming a truly cross-functional team
● External dependencies
Does Agile work for Marketing?
Yes! Agile Marketing Manifesto
● Responding to change over following a plan
● Rapid iterations over Big-Bang campaigns
● Testing and data over opinions and assumptions
● Many small experiments over a few large bets
● Individuals and interactions over one size fits all
● Collaboration over silos and hierarchy
Can marketeers become
awesome Product Owners?
Yes!
● Have strong customer focus
● Can “sell” the vision to inside and outside of the team
● Understand market and competition
● Are data-driven
● Collaborate and communicate
The future of marketing at SilverStripe
● Marketing reports into Product
● Greater transparency across teams
● Teams split over multiple countries
● More tightly coupled with product teams
Nicole v 2.0
Experiments over Perfection
Team engagement over Control
Agile thinking over One-off successes
Head of Product @ SilverStripe
Questions?
Marketing & Agile:
Best friends or worst enemies?
Nicole Williams
Head of Product, SilverStripe
Twitter: @envycollect
Marcello Commisso
Agile Practice Coach, BNZ
Contact: marcello@commisso.dk

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Marketing and agile: best friends or worst enemies

  • 1. Marketing & Agile: Best friends or worst enemies? Nicole Williams Head of Product, SilverStripe Marcello Commisso Agile Practice Coach, BNZ
  • 4.
  • 5.
  • 6.
  • 7. What is modern Marketing?
  • 8. Brand + Culture Science + Art Pull over Push Experimentation
  • 10. SilverStripe (the really short version) ● 78 people in Wellington, Auckland & London ● Founded by 3 Wellingtonians, privately owned ● Company values - aligned with Agile principles ○ Continuous improvement over perfection ○ Collaboration over control
  • 11. SilverStripe (the really short version) ● Bespoke web projects + products ● SilverStripe Open Source CMS - 110,000+ websites ● Common Web Platform for NZ Government ● Amazon Cloud Platform-as-a-Service
  • 12. Marketing at SilverStripe ● Branding / positioning ● Lead generation ● Product research ● Market validation ● Sales messaging
  • 13. Learning to be a Product Owner
  • 14. Nicole v1.0 Traditional marketing background Media booked at start of FY Perfectionist
  • 15. “It will be the single hardest and most- -rewarding role you ever hold.- -There will be times you want to give up,- -but in the end you’ll love them and love- -being a product owner” - - Clarion Cloughan, Head of Engineering, Xero
  • 16. Agile + marketing challenges ● Specialisation e.g. analytics ● Fixed deadlines e.g. events ● Recurring tasks ● Traditional silo thinking ● External dependencies M
  • 17. Marketing evolution ● Marketing Manager - 1 person alone ● Storytellers - big cross functional team ● Neuron boosters + Rainmakers (two separate teams - community dev and marketing) ● Rainmakers (small design oriented team) ● CommuniKats (marketing focused team with PO)
  • 19. 5 things that worked for us... 1. Give the team a mission Set clear short term goals (OKRs) 2. Become more data-driven 3. Cross-functional teams 4. Co-locate marketing team with product team Design for collaboration Processes for knowledge sharing 5. Never stop experimenting (improving) how you work M
  • 20. 1. Give the team a mission and set clear goals
  • 21. Objectives & Key Results ● Used by Google, Linkedin, Zynga ● Quarterly goals linked to 1 - 5 year plans ● Connects company/team/individual goals “[OKRs] are a tool for motivating and aligning people to work together. They increase transparency, accountability and empowerment." ~ Angus Davis, CEO, Swipely Google Ventures - video
  • 22. ● Knowing the most important things to track ● Connects day-to-day with bigger picture ● Provides common goals across teams OKRs provide purpose
  • 23. Don’t rely on opinions and gut feelings 2. Become data-driven
  • 24. Data-driven means… ● Less over more ● High impact metrics ● What will change if we succeed?
  • 26. Cross functional teams, Pi-shaped people CodingEvents AnalyticsOnboardingCommunity Front end Back end CMS UI UX Blogs Docs Lessons Meetups Design Support
  • 27. Cross functional teams, T-shaped people Content marketingSocial Digital marketing SEO / SEMAnalytics Marketing Automation Community Wide breadth of knowledge across overlapping disciplines Distribution Buying journey Content types Audience Brand strategy Deep knowledge, experience and ability in one (or a few) fields
  • 29. Get people and teams to work together: 4. Designing for collaboration
  • 30. Real collaboration ● Co-location with product and sales ● Shared Sprint Demos (Show & Tells) ● Involving other teams in backlog refinement ● Culture of knowledge sharing ● Setting common goals
  • 31. Create a culture of learning 5. Keep experimenting
  • 32. Monthly PMS meetings ● Product, sales and marketing ● Tactical experiments ● What question do we need to answer next?
  • 34. But experiments slows us down... ● Putting value on learning ● OK to “fail fast” ● Experiments can be quick, small and cheap
  • 37. Scrum ○ Introduce Agile thinking to a team (breaking down work, prioritising etc.) ○ Deadlines for delivery when team have problems completing work
  • 38. Kanban ○ Mapping the current process is easy to start with ○ Team with strong specialisations and individual tasks ○ Experienced team where work don’t fit in Sprint cycles
  • 39. Kamishibai board (for recurring tasks)
  • 41. Unsolved challenges ● Integrating marketing in full product lifecycle ● Becoming a truly cross-functional team ● External dependencies
  • 42. Does Agile work for Marketing?
  • 43. Yes! Agile Marketing Manifesto ● Responding to change over following a plan ● Rapid iterations over Big-Bang campaigns ● Testing and data over opinions and assumptions ● Many small experiments over a few large bets ● Individuals and interactions over one size fits all ● Collaboration over silos and hierarchy
  • 44. Can marketeers become awesome Product Owners?
  • 45. Yes! ● Have strong customer focus ● Can “sell” the vision to inside and outside of the team ● Understand market and competition ● Are data-driven ● Collaborate and communicate
  • 46. The future of marketing at SilverStripe ● Marketing reports into Product ● Greater transparency across teams ● Teams split over multiple countries ● More tightly coupled with product teams
  • 47. Nicole v 2.0 Experiments over Perfection Team engagement over Control Agile thinking over One-off successes Head of Product @ SilverStripe
  • 48. Questions? Marketing & Agile: Best friends or worst enemies? Nicole Williams Head of Product, SilverStripe Twitter: @envycollect Marcello Commisso Agile Practice Coach, BNZ Contact: marcello@commisso.dk